Did the Allies and Jews lie about the Holocaust?

Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime concentration camp where many prisoners -- most of them Jewish -- were reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The camp's horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the facts.





Scholars Challenge Holocaust Story





Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers have been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These "revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there, particularly of typhus and other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present shows that Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the story of mass killings in "gas chambers" is a myth.





The Auschwitz Camps





The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there between 1942 and mid-1944.





The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted to the war economy.





Four Million Victims?





At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for example. [1]





Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one million people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither institution would say how many of these people were killed, nor were any estimates given of the numbers of those supposedly gassed. [2] One prominent Holocaust historian, Gerald Reitlinger, has estimated that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews perished at Auschwitz. More recently, Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has estimated that about 800,000 persons -- of whom 630,000 were Jewish -- perished at Auschwitz. While even such lower figures are incorrect, they show how the Auschwitz story has changed drastically over the years. [3]





Bizarre Tales





At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet eyewitness report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February 1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an "electric conveyor belt on which hundreds of persons could be electrocuted simultaneously [and] then moved on into furnaces. They were burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage fields." [4]





And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [5] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales.





The Höss 'Confession'





A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the U.S. prosecution at the main Nuremberg trial. [6]





Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was obtained by torture.





Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant Bernard Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers tortured the former commandant to obtain his "confession." Höss himself privately explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two and half million Jews. I could just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not." [7]





Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story now acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Höss "affidavit" are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now claims that anything like two and a half or three million people perished in Auschwitz.





The Höss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being exterminated by gas in the summer of 1941 at three other camps: Belzec, Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek" camp mentioned by Höss is a total invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer mentioned in Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by those who believe in the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did not begin at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.





No Documentary Evidence





Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.





Many Jewish Inmates Unable to Work





For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young, sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.





But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. [8]





This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on "security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom "approximately 15,000 are unable to work." [9]





These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz extermination story.





The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment to other camps. That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, who also says that this was the reason for the unusually high death rate there. [10]





Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish, acknowledges in a recent book about the "final solution" that more Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural" causes than were executed. [11]





Anne Frank





Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known around the world for her famous diary. But few people know that thousands of Jews, including Anne and her father, Otto Frank, "survived" Auschwitz.





The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands to Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of the advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other Jews to the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March 1945.





Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews who were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945, shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in Switzerland in 1980.





If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they would not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was, cannot be reconciled with the extermination story.





Allied Propaganda





The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any evidence of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.





Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [12]





Survivor Testimony





Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination at Auschwitz.





An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz.





Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.





Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and quite a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. [13]





A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later. [14]





Inmates Released





Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have released inmates who "knew" what was happening in the camp. [15]





Himmler Orders Death Rate Reduced





In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially typhus, the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm counter-measures.





The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated Dec. 28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps." Furthermore, it ordered:








The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp commandants ... The camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as possible.








Finally, the directive stressed that "the Reichsfhrer SS [Heinrich Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced." [16]





German Camp Regulations





Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an extermination center. They ordered: [17]








New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical examination, and if there is any doubt [about their health], they must be sent to quarantine for observation.





Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the camp physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the prisoners to a hospital for professional treatment.





The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding the preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply. Any deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp commandant.





Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in order not to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.





Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be brought before the camp physician for medical examination.





Telltale Aerial Photos





Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys or masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly alleged, and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz had been the extermination center it is said to have been. [18]





Absurd Cremation Claims





Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.





For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even 20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 in crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond the realm of reality," he declared under oath. [19]





Gassing Expert Refutes Extermination Story





America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter, carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and concluded that the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically impossible.





Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of gas chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals. For example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state penitentiary.





In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which are either still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn testimony to a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter described every aspect of his investigation.





He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing facilities could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among other things, he pointed out that the so-called "gas chambers" were not properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also killing German camp personnel. [20]





Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by the Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that the Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a careful on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully killed with Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider it absolutely impossible." [21]





Summary





The Auschwitz extermination story originated as wartime propaganda. Now, more than 60 years after the end of the Second World War, it is time to take another, more objective look at this highly polemicized chapter of history. The Auschwitz legend is the core of the Holocaust story. If hundreds of thousands of Jews were not systematically killed there, as alleged, one of the great myths of our time collapses.





Artificially maintaining the hatreds and passions of the past prevents genuine reconciliation and lasting peace. Revisionism promotes historical awareness and international understanding. That is why the work of the Institute for Historical Review is so important and deserves your support.





Notes





1. Nuremberg document 008-USSR. IMT blue series, Vol. 39, pp. 241, 261.; NC


and A red series, vol. 1, p. 35.; C.L. Sulzberger, "Oswiecim Killings Placed


at 4,000,000," New York Times, May 8, 1945, and, New York Times, Jan. 31, 1986,


p. A4.


2. Y. Bauer, "Fighting the Distortions," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Sept. 22,


1989; "Auschwitz Deaths Reduced to a Million," Daily Telegraph (London), July


17, 1990; "Poland Reduces Auschwitz Death Toll Estimate to 1 Million," The


Washington Times, July 17, 1990.


3. G. Reitlinger, The Final Solution (1971); J.-C. Pressac, Le Crématoires


d'Auschwitz: La Machinerie du meurtre de mass (Paris: CNRS, 1993). On Pressac's


estimates, see: L'Express (France), Sept. 30, 1993, p. 33.


4. Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, pp. 2, 35. (United Press


dispatch from Moscow).


5. IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946).


6. Nuremberg document 3868-PS (USA-819). IMT blue series, Vol. 33, pp.


275-279.


7. Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235; R. Faurisson,


The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.


8. Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document


No. 128, in: H. Eschwege, ed., Kennzeichen J (East Berlin: 1966), p. 264.


9. Nuremberg document NO-021. NMT green series, Vol. 5. pp. 384-385.


10. Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Costa Mesa, Calif.), p.


124.


11. Arno Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in


History (Pantheon, 1989), p. 365.


12. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT green series, Vol. 8, p. 606.


13. Testimony in Toronto District Court, March 28, 1988. Toronto Star, March


29, 1988, p. A2.


14. Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: 1981), pp.


188-191.


15. Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret (Boston: 1981), p. 169.


16. Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2. NC%26amp;A red series, Vol. 4, pp.


833-834.


17. "Rules and Regulations for the Concentration Camps." Anthology, Inhuman


Medicine, Vol. 1, Part 1 (Warsaw: International Auschwitz Committee, 1970), pp.


149-151.; S. Paskuly, ed., Death Dealer: the Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at


Auschwitz (Buffalo: 1992), pp. 216-217.


18. Dino A. Brugioni and Robert C. Poirier, The Holocaust Revisited


(Washington, DC: Central Intelligence Agency, 1979).


19. Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), April 14, 1988, p. 6.


20. The Leuchter Report: An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution Gas


Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek (Toronto: 1988). Available for


$17.00, postpaid, from the IHR.


21. The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3


#2001





About the Author





Mark Weber is director of the Institute for Historical Review. He studied


history at the University of Illinois (Chicago), the University of Munich,


Portland State University and Indiana University (M.A., 1977). For nine years he


served as editor of the IHR's Journal of Historical Review.





http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.sh...











Commentary


From Ted Twietmeyer


tedtw@frontiernet.net


1-30-5





This article was well-written and researched. And it also means that the Shindler's List film is fiction as well, which also depicts countless people being gassed daily. As for the crematories, I completely concur with the commentary in the article.





The Facts: It takes about 70 minutes (according to one furnace manufacturer's spec sheet, see


[1] ) to cremate a body even today. This is a burner of 400KW. If each crematory furnace were to cremate 20.6 bodies in every 24 hour period running 7 days a week, then to handle 20,000 bodies a day would require more than 971 furnaces running non-stop, AND sufficient fuel to keep them all operating. And all this, in a Germany that was always short on fuel?





Preposterous of historians to never look at the numbers!





Ted Twietmeyer





[1] - Furnace spec sheet with cycle time:


http://www.ati-furnace.com/en/four_2/she...








Comment


From William Purcell


1-31-5





I haven't read the entirety of Mark Weber's essay yet - but one fact that should ALWAYS be brought out - particularly in regard to this so-called "60th" commemoration of the ... er ... the ... "liberation" of Auschwitz in January of 1945 by the Red Army of the Communist Soviet Union is this fact: that camp in Poland - Auschwitz - merely underwent a CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT at THAT time, ie from "Nazi" to "Commie." It most definitely was NOT 'liberated' no matter how one looks at it.





That camp in Auschwitz was CONTINUED to be run as a concentration camp up until the year 1951 (!!!!) by the Communist USSR under Stalin until two years before Stalin's death when it was then converted (1951) into an official Communist 'State Museum' (read: anti-German Propaganda Factory) in then Communist Poland.





From 1945 up until 1951 when it finally finished its role as a functioning death camp - some 250,000 victims were put to death there. Victims of the Commies this time. It point of actually documented fact - this total of Stalinist victims actually exceeded the previous occupiers ' total by about three times : ie the ACTUAL number of persons who died in Auschwitz between 1940 and 1945 when the Germans were running that place was some 75,000 souls - 63,000 of whom were JEWISH - few if any of whom ever died from any "gassing."





Most died from the wartime typhus epidemic and severe malnutrition-induced illness





None of the 250,000 victims during the Stalinist period (1945 up to 1951) ever died of any "gassing" there, either, for that matter.





Most died from either being worked to death as slave laborers - or died of disease and starvation. A few died from firing squad style executions.





That's it.





Those are the ACTUAL, REAL historical facts about the real Auschwitz.





All of the rest is Propaganda. It had originally been claimed that "over 4.5 million" of the "six million Jews" had been "gassed" there. This figure went through many, many permutations and revisions by the JEWS THEMSELVES until about 1985, when Dr. Francisek Piper - the very one whom the American Jew, David Cole, interviewed in his now famous video - the one in which Piper admits that the "gas chamber" that was always shown to the tourists there - was actually built in 1947! - two years AFTER the war was over.





see: www.codoh.com


see: www.ihr.org


see: www.vho.org





It was Dr. Piper, Auschwitz Chief Archivist and historian for 27 years, who first 'officially' lowered the number to "1.5 million" and then, by 1988 - again lowered to "1.1 million."





So, then what happened to the 'extra' 3 or 4 MILLION Jews? Nothing.





The propagandists have kept up the "6 million" figure - in spite of all of the official reductions that have made over the years.





Van Pelt, a Dutch Jew, who was the big Jewish "expert " on "The Holocaust" by the time of the David Irving 'trial', maintained that "500,000" Jews had been "gassed" there. Yet another fantastic downward reivison of the original 4.5 million figure.





Yet, I understand that they are now back to the infamous "1.1 million" figure for the 'annniversary.'








Comment


By Mark Weber


2-5-5





When considering the story of the lost 'Six Million', most overlook an obvious and crucial source of data: the 1938 World Almanac which listed the populations of countries by religion.





If you add up the numbers for the all European countries - less the Brittish Isles and the Americas - there was total population of roughly 6 Million Jews in the whole of Europe when the war broke out. There were about a half million in Germany.





This simple and irrefutable fact clearly debunks that claim that '6 million' were killed...or there would not have been any Jewish people left to tell a story. It would have meant that Hitler completed his supposed goals for Europe.





Most people should be able to find a copy of the 1938 Almanac in thier library. I hope this sheds some new, clear and logical light on the story.

Did the Allies and Jews lie about the Holocaust?
In August 1944 the 'Grand Inquisitor' of European Jewry reported to Himmler that approximately four million Jews had died in the death camps and that another two million had been killed by mobile extermination units. Did Eichmann lie to show his superiors his true Nazism or did he reflect the meticulous records the Nazis were prone to keep?





Was the 6 million figure implanted into the public consciousness as a result of the Eichmann trial in Israel in 1960?





The Soviet claim was that 4 million Jews had been gassed at Auschwitz and 2 million at four other camps to arrive at the 6 million total. A monument attesting to this figure stood at the entrance to Auschwitz. It was later realized that this number was not possible and the official figure was reduced in 1980. Today the monument reads 1.2 million.





Now historians generally believe that 1 million Jews were killed from 1933 to Jan. 1944 and that over 5 million were done in between the years 1942 and Fall of 1944 from the following countries:





Poland3,000,000


Baltic Countries228,000


Germany/Austria210,000


Protectorate80,000


Slovakia75,000


Greece54,000


The Netherlands105,000


Hungary450,000


SSR White Russia245,000


SSR Ukraine 900,000


Belgium40,000


Yugoslavia26,000


Romania300,000


Norway900


France90,000


Bulgaria14,000


Italy8,000


Luxembourg1,000


Russia (RSFSR)107,000





Total 5,933,900
Reply:Right on I see I am not the only non believer in this jew propaganda. Join the NSM if you agree. Report It

Reply:i met a jewish lady at the toronto holocaust centre..and her story was something like that of anne frank...and generally...i don't think they lied...i mean if adolf hitler didn't do something that he knew he would be executed and shunned by the public....then he wouldn't have killed himself..right?..he would have stayed and defend himself right?
Reply:Happy now, liar?





What you a**holes have to realize is that you spout such nonsensical drivel almost word for word, therefore, after at most, the third sentence, we don't even bother to read your crap any further.





And for every one you think you convince with your lies - there are millions who know and believe the truth. You're pathetic - get a life. At least you have the opportunity to live yours - not like the MILLIONS denied one by the MURDERERS!!
Reply:I hate to accuse someone of being antisemitic. How ever I feel like it is appropriate here. I am 63 years old and I have never heard about 4,000,000 Jews. I was told as a boy growing up that it was 6,000,000 Jews but you have left out the almost 14,000,000 non Jews that were also put to death. I lived in Germany for a number of years and I am married to a German. I have sat and talked to both my wife's mother and father. Both of them on separate occasions have told me that the German people were really unaware as to what was happening to the Jews, until after the war. I have no reason to not believe what they have told me. I will add that my father in law was in the Army and didn't know about it. I think that you have a problem or are to gullible and have listened to some Bull sh** someone is trying to peddle.





A. Hitler was the bastard child of a Austrian prostitute and it is alleged that his father was a Jew. Just maybe he had a hidden agenda. but to dismiss this as not having happened is deplorable.





It is not necessary to consider this a best answer as I don't think that any of us could break through to you, You will continue to go down this path of your,.....to bad.
Reply:Sorry, but history schiolars do not question that the Holocaust occurred contrary to the assertion . I am a scholar and you are fabricating a bunch of nonsense,. The David Irvng was college dropout and was found guilty of misrepresentation the like I am afraid you are doing also. Why/ I suspect you simpl;y want desperation attention,please give me a break, and get a life by working at a job. LOL! You are engaging in blasphemy also, So beware that some use folks who deny by capturing them, and put them under sawmill to slice them uo limb by limb and then deny they have done it!
Reply:How can you lie about that?? I'm sorry but i'm part german and we are currently learning about this, and I get a ton of dirty looks cause I am like the german photo girl look at my avatar! Not sure the exact # killed, but 6-8 million sounds about right, hope this part of history doesnt repeat itself. Good luck fining a straight answer though, cause a lot of places differ. The germans kept meticuluose records though, every shoes, bracelets and tooth filling was documented, and yes they saved the tooth fillings from bodies because back then they were REAL gold. Hope this helps.
Reply:Is Holocaust denial the new thing to do for idiots who have nothing better going on in their lives?





Listen, idiot, the answer is no, with an extended 'get a life.'
Reply:Where is the question in all this? Are you saying that the whole thing never happened? Or are you merely quibbling about the numbers? Like so many neo-nazis you would have the world believe that Hitlers actions were somehow benign and the earth is flat! All of your pathetic scrabbling to dig up scraps of evidence to disprove the disgusting atrocities perpetrated by the third reich, cannot change history. I personally knew a soldier who was among the troops that entered one of these places and though he would never really speak much about it, his only reall comment was that he had no idea that that kind of evil actually existed until he saw it for himself!., Germany is rightfully ashamed of what it allowed to happen and only as long as the world remembers ,is there a hope of it not happening again, But of course non of this wiill make any difference to goose-stepping liars such as yourself. Save this kind of rubbish for your skin-head buddies and all the other Knuckle-draggers that gobble up this revisionist horse-poop! Hitler did two things that benefitted mankind, have Benz invent the Volksvagen; and blow his own brains out!
Reply:Well with all that you put in your question I'll answer your question with this, The Allies and the Jews did NOT lie about the Holocaust!
Reply:No, they didn't, and I'm not impressed by the sourcenotes, wherever this is stolen from, as the mass of hate literature from neo-Nazi racist screwballs is fairly considerable by this time.





Along with thousands of other American GI's in World War II, my dad was ordered to tour the death camps at Belsen and Buchenwald and saw the masses of corpses and the starving survivors. I heard his eyewitness testimony to this many times over the years and it's more convincing to me than all the volumes of propaganda ever printed by hate-mongering anti-Semite Hitlerites.
Reply:So according to you, the Germans are now teaching the Holocaust in their schools even though it's not true? Thousands of German history text books, all detailing the Holocaust, being read by millions of German students, even though it never happened?





Yeah, 'cause that really makes sense. NOT.





FACT: six million Jews were slaughtered in those camps. HALF THE JEWS ON THE PLANET.





Deal with it.














EDIT





- just to correct a previous answer: Hitler had NO Jewish family. This has been investigated thoroughly by numerous historians.
Reply:That would require too many people in cahoots to all tell the same lie.





You can't get 2 people who saw a car accident to tell the same story. How you going to get tens of thousands of people all saying the same story of the holocaust?





What investment do YOU have in it not being true? How do you explain the photographic evidence?





The main question is this. Does it matter whether it was 6 million or 2 million... One million would qualify it as a holocaust. 200 thousand. It was still wrong. Your lengthy rant is weird. Go cut and paste something else.
Reply:Your bizarre, anti-Semitic, cut-and-paste, Holocaust-denying, ignorant, hateful rant which is not a question can be answered in one word:





NO.
Reply:NO!





for all of your so called 'proof's there a 6 million (or more) examples of what was done.





My own f-i-l was a survivor of pearl harbor but to his dying day he only spoke of that day; for more than one or two sentences, perhaps 3 times.





What i am saying is just because the people who would LIKE you to believe the lies (they have their own ajenda) are loudly vocal (hey drowning out the compition works right?)





this DOES NOT mean there are not thousands upon thousands of others who know, lived, suffered, and lost during the Reality of those times. they just don't get in other peoples faces about it.





THINK about this. --- If it didn't happen, WHY do these so- called dubunkers feel the NEED to shout their views- if they weren't lying, they wouldnt need to.





to me, its very obvious that you have already made up your mind to believe the lying that is trying to debunk what was done,


so why do you bother with the question?





Unless of course you really are NOT so sure and you are trying to shove your views down peoples throats to convince yourself-





frankly no matter how hard you try it wont change the fact these things happened- they were done. and the lies won't undo them.





its like trying to say the civil war not only didnt happen - or if it 'might have' it wasnt important enough to teach in our history books. (this is happing in our schools in certain areas by the way)





Frankly i am more worried about the fact that people in power are trying to erase the reality of our actual history- in so doing we erase the chance to prevent the possibility of preventing a reacurrance of these horrors-





as the philosopher and poet, Georges Santayana, said


"those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.".


that my friend is the real problem-
Reply:No. Hitler lied. No one will ever know how many really died.....
Reply:Firstly there is to much information on this question, and the only people who seem not to want to believe in the death camps are white supremacist who are trying to make Hitler out to be such a nice man, but he was not, a lot of my people died at the death camps and they were executed, there were also others killed in the camps, English, Americans, Polish and the list goes on, and not all the people were of Jewish decent, the holocaust did happen and it is a historical fact, and i think it is time that you put your fears of Jewish people behind you and start to live your life.
Reply:Trolling around. Funny, there was one such question nearly just like this yesterday...


As to the lie theory, and all the made up stories without any physical proof to 'prove' that the holocaust never happened, it's funny how 'sources' are cited but never found anywhere in the real world.
Reply:Wow, I didnt realize you could ask a question that long.


I am not concerned about details of numbers. Wrong is wrong. What does concern me is that 1) jewish organizations can come back 40+ years later and sue german manufacturers for using jewis prison labor. Im not concerned that they sued, im concerned that any legal body granted their side. That Volkswagen paid millions of dollars to the organization in reperations. Volkswagen did not want slave labor. Volkswagen did not want to build equipment of war for Hitler. Hitler was not paying them. He had soldiers with guns standing there telling Volkswagen they were going to produce these items. Volkswagen was almost as big victim as anyone else.


2) I dont like that 60 years later people are still digging into other people's histories and deciding they were war criminals. re: Paul Henss http://www.mahalo.com/Paul_Henss





I agree the top people, the decision makers, should be held accountable. But a corproal who merely trained dogs and had no access to the 'great secrets'? And the American Justice department agent that signed the paperwork has an unusually jewish-like name. Makes me wonder what the guy spends his time, and my governments money doing all day, American Justice?





Anyway, Im not as concerned about what happened back then as I am with what is happening right now.